[PRR-talk] 14-4 and other New Haven sleepers to Pittsburgh?

[Frederick Ripley]

On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:06 PM, WAMMP236 at aol.com wrote:

Fred and Pat,
                   The eastbound Boston sleeper(s) ( depending on the  
year) were carried eastbound in trains 46-186 The New Englander and  
The Quaker. The Quaker being a New Haven train. Westbound is a little  
more difficult to explain.  In 1950 the westbound through sleeper was  
shown as 189-37-51 The William Penn.  The sleepers came out of Boston  
on New Haven train 189 the William Penn and combined with Pennsy  
trains 37-51 The Iron City Express at New York, but the through  
sleeper was shown on a separate schedule again as the William Penn.  
One item of interest in 1950 was that 37 and 51 carried a diner from  
ALTOONA to Pittsburgh.
                     In later years (1960) as trains were  
discontinued the sleeper ran east as #24-172 The New Englander. They  
came west in #189 and 61 (except Saturdays and Sundays and May 30th.  
July 4th. and September 5th.)  and # 193 and 61 Sundays (except May  
29., July 3rd., and Sept. 4; also runs May 30th., July 4th., and  
Sept. 5th.)  The westbound sleeper did not run Saturday in this  
schedule.  Also eastbound you could ride coach from PGH to BOS  
changing at PHL.  However westbound there were no coaches NYP to PGH  
as the car(s) were conveyed in #61 The Pittsburger.
                     I would think the article you had referenced to  
Pat, was this 60's era use of The Pittsburger to convey these cars.
                                                                         
                                            Bill


Bill,

Thanks- above is interesting.

The TT's and consist books I've been looking at, ca. 1957 - '58, show  
the WB 14-4 consistently in that period on the "Pittsburgher".  As  
you note above, the EB car is on PRR No. 24, the "Duquesne"
(making an interesting consist w/this sleeper and a grab-bag of  
coaches and head-end).  Through '57, the EB through coaches you  
mention were carried by No. 24- these seem to have ended
in early '58.

The other Pittsburgh-Boston through car shown is a 6 doublebedroom  
lounge- I'm assuming this was covered by a PRR "Falls" car.   Someone  
had written me a note in reply saying the 14-4
was covered by one of three NH "point" series cars.

Best, Fred R.


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